Have you ever seen anything this cleanly gorgeous in your life?

"BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast." (boxerfanatic) 10/22/2013 at 15:25 • Filed to: Porsche, 911, 930

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This is an object lesson in "less is more" aesthetics; so very much more.

It is just so sleek... It isn't fully backdated to an original 911 (front bumper height is too high up to the headlights, it is a 930-style bumper... but the car could possibly be an earlier 964 with the torsion-spring rear suspension. (hole in the bodywork just in front of the rear tire gives it away...)

the RS look, with the FRP bumpers and the duck tail spoiler, no extra trim, and the slightly wide rear Fuchs wheels... even the roll bar visible through the windows... just makes this car look HOT for being simplified and lightened.

It is almost Singer-like... and even simpler and less adorned than most Singer examples, and certainly narrower without the fender flares.

The only things I would add, if it were mine...

black rock-chip guard film along the bottom of the rocker, and up on the rear fender in front of the rear tire, to protect the paint and body from rusting when it DOES get driven, because it WILL be driven...

I would add sealed-beam-replacement LED headlights (JW Speaker LED projectors, or TruckLite parabolic back-firing LED reflectors) behind plain un-fluted polycarbonate 911 outer lenses, for better lighting and less electrical load than old incandescent halogen sealed beams. I might also replace the turn signals and rear lights, behind stock porsche lenses, with LED strips or replacement bulbs, and a solid-state signal flash relay. Less electrical load on the alternator is less heat in the wiring loom, and less alternator load on the engine.

I like the black Fuchs... but I might have considered gun-metal centers with the black polished rim edges. Not bright silver, but about half-way between the alloy silver of the paint job, and the glossy black of the wheel rims and window trims.

That would be about it.

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 10/22/2013 at 15:27

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Speechless. That's damn near perfect.

Niquemarshall > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 10/22/2013 at 15:28

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Ver-ah Nahce!

Meatcoma > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 10/22/2013 at 15:30

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The front and rear bumpers make it look like it's missing sideskirts. Maybe it's just the angle of the picture.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Meatcoma 10/22/2013 at 15:53

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The front and rear bumpers are a bit flared where they meet the wheel wells... but they are the sport package, lighter composite-only bumper covers. Side skirts might help... but the whole theme of the car is lighter, simpler, and little or no extra parts, or things bolted to the body, and being light-weight. It doesn't even have flared fenders as most S models would... so that is less metal in the body. No bolted or bonded on flares, either.

The front and rear bumpers of a stock average model of 930 911 has painted metal bumpers with rubber and plastic pieces to trim and fit the bumpers to the body, which entails more component pieces, and heavier weight to the car, and more complicated fitting.

the fiberglass or urethane replacement bumper covers are one piece, simplified units... and the simplification is consistent with the lack of adornment of the rest of the car, although they were likely intended to fit a car with slightly more front and rear fender flare, with a more turbo-look body shell and front fenders, which probably would fit with the flare at the wheel wells on those fascias.

I wouldn't argue if it had side skirts... but I don't think it looks inconsistent without them... I would just choose to protect that part of the body from stone chips and resulting rust intrusion, and hiding the chassis bracing and jacking point by blacking them out a little bit.

feather-throttle-not-hair > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 10/22/2013 at 15:58

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It is very nice, but i'm not a fan of the wheels.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > feather-throttle-not-hair 10/22/2013 at 16:20

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They are stock Fuchs wheels...

These:

but they are coated fully gloss black. Maybe with a slight bronze/hematite tint to it.

But I can understand what you mean... which is why I mentioned that I might have left the center in a lighter gunmetal grey.

The other option that would look fantastic on this car, would be Campagnolos in a darker gunmetal grey. (probably would not go black on these, at least not more than the rim) This design was also licensed by Campagnolo in Italy, to Hayashi in Japan, and are known as Hayashi Racing Street, and there have been unlicensed clones.

shpuker > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 10/22/2013 at 16:23

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Yes. A real 930.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > shpuker 10/22/2013 at 16:36

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Your post made me go back and research... I was going to point out the difference between a 930 Turbo, and a 930 non-turbo...

and I realize something that I didn't before... 74-89 non-turbo 911s are still considered 911s, not 930s.

so thank you for that impetus.

All 930s were turbo cars, like the one you pictured, and with flared fenders.

The narrow body cars from 74-89, with the impact bumper, without the turbocharger, is not a 930, but a 911 with a series letter designation A-M for various trims and revisions

I thought that all the impact-bumper cars were 930 generation, turbo or not, like all 911 variants from 90-94 ARE all Type 964, followed by 993, 996, 997, and now 991 types, but that isn't the case for 911 and 930 between 74 and 89.

Now, I am wondering if the car above is a late 87-89 Carrera 3.2, with the Getrag G50 gearbox... maybe even an 87 Carrera Club Sport, a factory-built (1 of 340 units) lightweight with no radio, power windows, or power-adjusted seats... and a blueprinted higher-redline engine.

If the car in the first post isn't a Club Sport, it is an interesting likeness of one.

shpuker > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 10/22/2013 at 18:43

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Hard to tell. Going off the license plate though it's either something real rare, or a 1976 930.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > shpuker 10/22/2013 at 19:18

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The silver one you posted is a 930 Turbo... possibly a 1976, or a rare option combo that only 76 examples were built... but badging delete doesn't let on.

The silver narrow body at the top is not a 930, as I now realize... it is a post-74 911, as non-turbo cars (all narrow bodies, and any non-turbo powered turbo-look wide-body cars were 911s, not strictly Type 930 Turbo.)

The silver car I posted at the top of this thread is a narrow body, and could be anywhere from a '74 Carrera 2.7, to an '89 Carrera 3.2... or any of the variants in between, such as an '87 Carrera Club Sport. The lack of a sunroof on the car in the first post is a suggestion that it might indeed be a factory-built lightweight....

Think pre-cursor to the Boxster Spyder, and Cayman R. There are various CS (club sport), RS (rennsport), and RS America versions over the years that are factory-built stripped down cars, legal for the street, but ready to be track-prepared, without extraneous pieces and minimal weight, but up-rated suspension and power train parts.

The 911 I posted at the top is obviously not the same car as the 930 you posted.... but both are beautiful cars.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 10/22/2013 at 19:53

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Updated information on this gorgeous silver 911...

It is a 1982 911SC resto-mod, built by SoCal Porsche Technician Paul Ferrell.

It was covered by Excellence Magazine in January 2013.

http://www.excellence-mag.com - issue 208 - article: oem-plus - page 1

The bumpers are RSR/IROC style bumpers, and the roof was de-sunroofed with an aftermarket kevlar panel epoxied into place. The suspension is near stock, and the stock rear 7" wide Fuchs wheels were put on the front, and 8" wide versions on the back. The interior is stripped down, too, with a euro GT3 RS style roll cage.

The car weighs all of 2100lbs...

I also came across a video the owner posted up, of the engine running with a customized exhaust system.

Such a fantastic car.

feather-throttle-not-hair > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 10/22/2013 at 20:40

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Hmmm. It must be the photograph then, because for some reason they look 4 spoke to me, not the faux 5 spoke of the Fuchs. I actually love the stock fuchs design, so really my complaint about the wheels is invalid. Its the photo I dont like! The car is perfect.

NoahthePorscheGuy > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 10/22/2013 at 21:47

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The car above looks to me like it is either a 76 930 Turbo, or a turbo look. Most likely a real turbo. Porsche guys normally differentiate the older 911 in a number of ways. The oldest (64-65) are called 901s. 66-68 are Short Wheel Base or SWB cars. 69-73 are normally called 911S/E/T and are sometimes referred too by engine size of either 2.0, 2.2 or 2.4. Early impact bumpers are normally just called impact bumper 911 S/E/T and are all 2.7's with the exception of THE 2.7 Carrera RS. Then we have the SC or Super Carrera which go from 78-83. Then we have the return of the "REAL" Carrera which all had 3.2's and went from 83-89. Some 3.2's also came with the Turbo Look, which was wider and imitated the 911 Turbo, and some just had Whale Tails and a slight widebody. I forget the exact name of the option. Then we had the 964 which was like you said all cars made 90-94. But there are of course different variants like the Turbo and Targa and S and C4 etc. Finally we have the 930 which is just all original generation Turbos.

NoahthePorscheGuy > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 10/22/2013 at 21:52

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In all honestly the one at the top was probably an SC that was taken and tricked out. SC's are the cheapest currently and most likely to be modified. The Ducktail never came on the later cars, and no early car had a preinstalled rollcage. The dual exhausts are also a giveaway that it is not close to stock. The rear bumpers looks 964 styled to me. Sweet car.